On Martha

Jul. 6th, 2008 10:06 am
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You know, it's funny. This time last year, after it was announced that Martha would be back in s4, there was nothing I wanted more than for her to stay in the TARDIS and travel with the Doctor again. And now? Now, I'm so happy she left.

Also, it's a little ironic maybe that, out of her, Rose and Donna, she went through the most when she was with the Doctor, but got the happiest ending and the healthiest relationship with him now.

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Date: 2008-07-06 09:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drakyndra.livejournal.com
I was actually pondering on that very point over in my comments.

Mainly, I want to know just want to know WTF the logic behind it for the Cardiff lot really is.

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Date: 2008-07-06 09:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] magicallaw.livejournal.com
That you can't have happy fun time with the Doctor and live happily ever after? Which, you know, isn't the case but maybe that's what they're trying to say.

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Date: 2008-07-06 09:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drakyndra.livejournal.com
I really, really don't like that subtext. It's like... the antithesis of what the Doctor is supposed to be for people.

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Date: 2008-07-06 09:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] magicallaw.livejournal.com
It's also really screwy because it doesn't work like that, Sarah Jane being an excellent example of this.

Maybe it's just a case of Rusty Not Thinking Things Through, which I think he's rather good at.

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Date: 2008-07-06 03:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] juanitadark.livejournal.com
(Driveby again, sorry:) I think RTD is using the Doctor as a false god that the companions need to see the destructiveness of because he himself doesn't want to be happy (so really he's the *last* guy to make anyone else happy). Transcending the Doctor is what allows them to see their own awesomeness for themselves and that's what makes them better people - believing in their own significance rather than waiting for the Doctor and universe to prove it for them.

It's true of Mickey, Martha and Jack - all the most ostensibly rejected companions - and later Sarah Jane (who seem to come off best in their departures from the Doctor while still having their own issues to resolve).

It's a weird way of getting there but even Donna and Rose will get their eventually. Donna is adequately clever enough to figure it out for herself - if she's anything like Smith in Human Nature/FoB her time with the Doctor will probably stay in her subconscious anyway - and she will (her grandad will support her even if her mother won't).

And what Rose always needed was enough time to be with the Doctor to figure out that what she really needed was an identity of her own and to create her own adventure in her life without living through the Doctor's experience vicariously. Living with human!Ten will probably convince her of that. The interesting thing about human!Ten is that the redeeming Donna-like qualities he inherited might be enough to save a relationship between him and Rose even when she evolves out of her need/desire for him. And those same Donna-like qualities will probably allow him to evolve too.

It's only the Doctor himself that stays stuck because he doesn't actually want to evolve - he wants to stay miserable.

We can only hope Eleven will more or less jettison that attitude.

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